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stop and frisk

Can i get a woot woot
Fauk You lib judge Schenidlin

Reason prevails on stop-and-frisk.

The 2nd Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals issued a stay of Federal Judge Shira Scheindlin’s decision on stop-and-frisk and took the extraordinary step of removing her from the case.

This is not only a huge victory for Mayor Bloomberg and NYPD Commissioner Raymond Kelly, but most importantly a victory for the citizens of New York City.

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The renaissance that has taken place in New York over the last 20 years was put in serious jeopardy by Scheindlin’s ruling, which would have had the effect of returning the streets of this city to the thugs and miscreants who roamed freely in the ’80s and early ’90s.

The appellate court understood what we in law enforcement believed from the start of the case: that Scheindlin appeared to be predisposed and prejudiced against what is probably the most effective tool in the NYPD’s toolbox.

The plaintiffs in this case alleged that the NYPD was using stop-and-frisk as a way of racial profiling, and Scheindlin not only agreed with that, but imposed a Draconian order that would have the police monitored by a group of lawyers who know nothing about law enforcement and would have exposed officers to personal liability.

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There is no police department in the world with more oversight than the NYPD: Five independent district attorneys, two U.S. attorneys, a Civilian Complaint Review Board and the largest internal affairs division of any department.


What Scheindlin failed to understand is that stop-and-frisk is not a policy, it is a tactic that is legal and most often based on the description of victims and reasonable suspicion.

Sadly, most crime victims in this city are minorities and crimes against them happen in their communities.

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The reality is that the NYPD’s mission is to keep those communities safe, and those neighborhoods are the largest beneficiary of the incredible reduction in crime over the last two decades.

Just think about the 2,300 murders in 1990 and about the 400 last year.

In 1990, there were 147,000 car thefts in New York; last year the number was under 9,000.

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These amazing reductions are a credit to the best police department in the world, who, through aggressive policing and using tactics such as stop-and-frisk, made this the safest big city in America.

I remember the video we took in Washington Heights in 1995, when drug dealers with automatic weapons operated in broad daylight selling drugs.

Today, the citizens of that community are no longer plagued by crime.

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Stop-and-frisk played a major role in giving that neighborhood back to its law-abiding citizens.

Scheindlin’s order would have begun the return of that chaos.

We should all think back to the kind of city this was when Times Square was a place to avoid, when squeegee people were the unofficial toll-takers at the Holland and Lincoln tunnels, when students at our universities were locked in their dorms at night to keep the criminals out.

No one should assume that we can’t go back to those days.

Crime has not gone away, but those who would commit criminal acts know that the NYPD is there with certainty of punishment.

What the appeals court has done is send a message that the law — and not a single judge — will prevail and keep our city and its citizens safe.

Howard Safir is chairman and CEO of Vigilant Resources International, and was NYPD commissioner from 1996 to 2000.



Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/safir-stop-and-frisk-ruling-new-yorkers-safe-article-1.1503484#ixzz2jOuLwTRb

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...The renaissance that has taken place in New York over the last 20 years was put in serious jeopardy by Scheindlin’s ruling, which would have had the effect of returning the streets of this city to the thugs and miscreants who roamed freely in the ’80s and early ’90s....


LOL, really? The city would turn into 1970's Times Square without S&F?



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Originally posted by translucent
LOL, really? The city would turn into 1970's Times Square without S&F?

wouldnt mind a little return of the old gritty times sq
i rmembr taking the 7 into times sq as a kid and being wonderfully terrified

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Originally posted by bxbomb
wouldnt mind a little return of the old gritty times sq
i rmembr taking the 7 into times sq as a kid and being wonderfully terrified


They should've saved a block of it like a red light district. It's too Disneyfied now.



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shootings up 44% from last year in NYC
good job diblasio


Shootings spike in NYC over the last year
By Jamie Schram, Larry Celona and Selim Algar

The number of shooting victims has skyrocketed across the city this year — up 43 percent in just the last month — while fewer guns are coming off the streets, NYPD statistics reveal.

Police Commissioner Bill Bratton has repeatedly shifted the focus from shootings to a steep decline in homicides, and claims he is not worried about the gun violence.

But sources told The Post it will only get worse in the hotter summer months, and that the alarming trend is the result of a more “reactive” police force handicapped by the inability to use tactics like stop-and-frisk.

“Cops aren’t putting their hands on anyone,” a source said.

In the last month alone, 129 people were shot, according to the latest CompStat figures, or 43.3 percent more than for the same period last year.

Since January, there has been an overall 13.2 percent increase in shooting victims, while 10.2 percent fewer guns have been recovered compared to 2013.

“Under [NYPD Commissioner Ray] Kelly, we went after guns on the street,’’ a source said. “We stopped the guys in the precincts who we knew were criminals and took guns off them. [It was] proactive policing.

“We are a reactive police force now. We react to violence before going out and trying to stop it before it happens.”

Another NYPD source said it’s clear that the criminals know city cops’ hands are tied thanks to legal challenges to stop-and-frisk and Bratton’s reluctance to push the crime-fighting tactic.

“Gang-bangers were afraid to bring out guns because they may be randomly stopped and arrested. That’s all in the past now,” the source said.

Talking to reporters Monday, Bratton focused on the city’s decline in homicides since the beginning of the year.

“As of this morning, I think we are down 24 homicides,” he said. “That is preliminary. [But] if the current trend were to continue, we will fall under 300.”

He added that despite the hike in shootings, the overall numbers are still relatively low.

“We see an increase in shootings at the moment,” he said. “But I’m comfortable that we’re aware of where they are happening, why they’re happening, who is doing it.”

But police critics of Bratton and Mayor Bill de Blasio said the pair is more focused on making friends with stop-and-frisk foes than cracking down on crime.

“It’s all peace and love and joy with the new administration,” a source said.

“We’re back in the Summer of Love in ’69 with this administration. They want everyone to like them.”

Additional reporting by Kirstan Conley

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Originally posted by bxbomb
shootings up 44% from last year in NYC
good job diblasio


Thus far, I can't think of a single notable thing this guy accomplished, other than pissing off a bunch of people over horses and schools. Both issues that he backtracked on after getting enough backlash.



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only 21 shootings in NYC this weekend
be proud

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The Benefits of Fewer NYPD Arrests
New York cops started a "virtual work stoppage" to protest Mayor Bill de Blasio. That might be a good thing for New Yorkers.

A funny thing happened in New York City last week: Cops stopped arresting people. Not altogether, of course—that would be anarchy. But since last Monday, the number of arrests in America's largest city plummeted by two-thirds compared to the previous year. The decline is a conscious slowdown by New York's police force to protest City Hall's perceived lack of support for law enforcement.

NYPD officers and union leaders have been at odds with Mayor Bill de Blasio in the wake of the Eric Garner case and the killings of Officers Wenjian Liu and Rafael Ramos this month. In their latest move, officers have begun a "virtual work stoppage" throughout the city by making fewer low-level arrests and issuing fewer citations. The Patrolmen's Benevolent Association, New York's largest police union, urged its members not to make arrests "unless absolutely necessary," according to the New York Post's report.

[The slowdown] has helped contribute to a nose dive in low-level policing, with overall arrests down 66 percent for the week starting Dec. 22 compared with the same period in 2013, stats show.

Citations for traffic violations fell by 94 percent, from 10,069 to 587, during that time frame.

Summonses for low-level offenses like public drinking and urination also plunged 94 percent—from 4,831 to 300.

Even parking violations are way down, dropping by 92 percent, from 14,699 to 1,241.

Drug arrests by cops assigned to the NYPD’s Organized Crime Control Bureau—which are part of the overall number—dropped by 84 percent, from 382 to 63.

Although safety is cited as the reason for the police union's move, political considerations are central. "This is not a slowdown for slowdown’s sake," a police source told the Post. "Cops are concerned, after the reaction from City Hall on the Garner case, about de Blasio not backing them." The NYPD slowdown also comes amid protracted contract negotiations between police unions and the mayor's office.

The Post, which enthusiastically championed the NYPD during this year's turmoil, portrayed this slowdown in near-apocalyptic terms—an early headline for the article above even read "Crime wave engulfs New York following execution of cops." But the police union's phrasing—officers shouldn't make arrests "unless absolutely necessary"—begs the question: How many unnecessary arrests was the NYPD making before now?

Policing quality doesn't necessarily increase with policing quantity, as New York's experience with stop-and-frisk demonstrated. Former Mayor Michael Bloomberg asserted that the controversial tactic of warrantless street searches "keeps New York City safe." De Blasio ended the program soon after succeeding him, citing its discriminatory impact on black and Hispanic residents. Stop-and-frisk incidents plunged from 685,724 stops in 2011 to just 38,456 in the first three-quarters of 2014 as a result. If stop-and-frisk had caused the ongoing decline in New York's crime rate, its near-absence would logically halt or even reverse that trend. But the city seems to be doing just fine without it: Crime rates are currently at two-decade lows, with homicide down 7 percent and robberies down 14 percent since 2013.

The slowdown also challenges the fundamental tenets of broken-windows policing, a controversial strategy championed by NYPD Commissioner Bill Bratton. According to the theory, which first came to prominence in a 1982 article in The Atlantic, "quality-of-life" crimes like vandalism and vagrancy help normalize criminal behavior in neighborhoods and precede more violent offenses. Tackling these low-level offenses therefore helps prevent future ones. The theory's critics dispute its effectiveness and contend that broken-windows policing simply criminalizes the young, the poor, and the homeless.

Public drinking and urination may be unseemly, but they're hardly threats to life, liberty, or public order. (The Post also noted a decline in drug arrests, but their comparison of 2013 and 2014 rates is misleading. The mayor's office announced in November that police would stop making arrests for low-level marijuana possession and issue tickets instead. Even before the slowdown began, marijuana-related arrests had declined by 61 percent.) If the NYPD can safely cut arrests by two-thirds, why haven't they done it before?

The human implications of this question are immense. Fewer arrests for minor crimes logically means fewer people behind bars for minor crimes. Poorer would-be defendants benefit the most; three-quarters of those sitting in New York jails are only there because they can't afford bail. Fewer New Yorkers will also be sent to Rikers Island, where endemic brutality against inmates has led to resignations, arrests, and an imminent federal civil-rights intervention over the past six months. A brush with the American criminal-justice system can be toxic for someone's socioeconomic and physical health.

The NYPD might benefit from fewer unnecessary arrests, too. Tensions between the mayor and the police unions originally intensified after a grand jury failed to indict a NYPD officer for the chokehold death of Eric Garner during an arrest earlier this year. Garner's arrest wasn't for murder or arson or bank robbery, but on suspicion of selling untaxed cigarettes—hardly the most serious of crimes. Maybe the NYPD's new "absolutely necessary" standard for arrests would have produced a less tragic outcome for Garner then. Maybe it will for future Eric Garners too.

http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2014/12/the-benefits-of-fewer-nypd-arrests/384126/



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pockets of the city crime is down astronomically.
Gentrification and a horde of 24 year old Wisconsinites and Oklahomans moving into the neighborhoods(ones that didnt have a high s&f rate) .

need to look at NYPD stats based on pct. and you will see that those hoods were stop n frisk was prevelant still have completely lopsided crime stats compared to other pcts

and if you dont want just look at the stats where the spoiledrich white kids moving into p-slope or billyburg ...just look out north queens pcts like the 111 or the 109 pct(both largely Asian now) they have .05 crimes per1000 residents and a pct like the 73 in Bronwnsville has 1.7 crimes per 1000

brownsville probably led the nypd in s&f
for a reason


and btw Shootings are up..... over 100 more in 2014


The NYPD's rank n file are gonna make diblasios life hell for the rest of his hopefully one term
Mofo had the balls the week between the two funerals to ok a city judge that let 2 guys who made cop threats (both with priors) loose and then let go another city judge who was tough on criminals

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The fact that crime decreased because of gentrification and economic factors is exactly why Giulianni shouldn't be given sole credit for reducing the rampant crime wave that used to grip NYC. The fact that there's more crime in poor neighborhoods compared to rich ones isn't exactly news. That's the way it always was, is and will be. Bankers don't need to mug you in the street to pay their rent. Of course more thugs will carry guns if they're not afraid of getting stopped and frisked for no reason. however, there's a fine line that was getting crossed by the NYPD. They were performing S&F fairly randomly against minorities in the hopes of getting revenue through drug arrests for minor possession.

As far as Mayor Bill goes, I sincerely doubt he'll have another term. I can't think of a single notable thing he accomplished since getting elected that did the city any good. He should've handled the whole cops vs protesters thing better by making a bigger effort to remind everyone that not all cops are assholes and not all protesters are criminals. Given what was going on when the protests started, he should have outlined a plan to improve police training to ensure there are less needless deaths and pushed for body cameras.



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to see the residents of these communities begging for stop n frisk to come back

only 13 shootigns in Deblasios nyc this weekend

The Feds are now going to be assisting in day to day gun busts ?!?!



NEW YORK (CBSNewYork) — Bullet-riddled windows, yellow crime scene tape, and evidence markers denoting where shell casings fell on the sidewalk are becoming all-too-familiar sights on New York City streets.
Now in an unprecedented move, a federal agency is joining the effort to get gun crimes under control, CBS2’s Marcia Kramer reported Monday.
Kramer is told it was a collective decision made by the federal government, the NYPD, the U.S. Attorney for the Eastern District of New York, and the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives.
Those agencies are mounting a first-ever anti-gun initiative in high-crime areas.
“There’s going to be an increase in federal arrests – no doubt,” said AFT agent Charles Mulham.
Mulham’s words were intended to be a stiff warning to city residents who would carry weapons, and seem all to ready to use them. They will not only have to deal with the NYPD, but they will have the feds on their tail too.
ATF agents have mounted a first-ever summer gun initiative to get illegal weapons off the street.
And when the feds get involved, Mulham warned, “In many cases, the punishment is more severe.”
And Mulham said the feds will not rest with nabbing the triggerman.
“Of course, when the ATF gets involved with our resources and our tracing expertise, we’ll be able to figure out if weapon is part of an interstate trafficking operation,” Mulham said.
The initiative comes as the NYPD is dealing with a surge in gun crimes. This past weekend alone, there were 13 shooting incidents – 17 victims, and two homicides.
And that tally did not include a shooting at a Brooklyn sports bar early Monday morning, where surveillance video showed a gunman opening fire just after closing and striking four people.
It happened around 2:15 a.m. in front of the D Avenue bar on Flatbush Avenue near Hawthorne Street in Prospect-Lefferts Gardens. A man who works at the bar, but did not want to be identified, said police were actually in front of the bar minutes before the shooting.
“We’ve been here for three years, (and) no incidents,” a man who works at D Avenue but did not want to identified told CBS2’s Diane Macedo. “And then stop-and-frisk has been repealed, so guys are walking around with guns again.”
Manny Gomez, a security expert who has been both an NYPD officer and an FBI agent, said the federal program is unusual.
“If they’re going to go around doing gun busts on a day-to-day basis, that’s something that we really haven’t seen that often in New York City,” Gomez said.
At City Hall Monday, Mayor Bill de Blasio was asked if the NYPD needed any help.
“I think I stated very, very clearly — I have tremendous faith in the NYPD,” de Blasio said. “We went through a similar situation last year and they turned it around very effectively. We’ve hundreds of officers to where the need was greatest.”
Federal sources tell Kramer the new federal anti-gun program will allow agents to go after people with as little as one prior felony arrest, and hit them with charges that could carry up to 10 years to jail.
A longer record could get a gunman 15 years in a federal lockup.

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Without S&F, it was inevitable that some criminals would be emboldened and carry guns. However, the problem with S&F is how it was implemented, mostly harassing unarmed people. Stiffer penalties for carrying is a better alternative as a deterrent.



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the entire criminal element especially in those neighborhoods that crime was already highly prevalent have absoulute NO FEAR now and disresspect cops at every single turn.
I see it daily

THe community is realizing it was worth the good people getting stopped for 3 minutes and let go

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the entire criminal element especially in those neighborhoods that crime was already highly prevalent have absoulute NO FEAR now and disresspect cops at every single turn.
I see it daily

THe community is realizing it was worth the good people getting stopped for 3 minutes and let go


The "community?" you mean white or older people in those neighborhoods who were never on the receiving end of S&F themselves.

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